MOR Vacations
Protect Yourself from the HYPE & DECEPTIVE INFORMATION!
One of my Global Resorts Network colleagues Kelly Williams has exposed Johnny Bolton and the MOR Vacations ordeal. I did not write this article, but thought it would be instructive for anyone considering MOR Vacations as a business.
Here Kelly’s account of what happened:
MOR VACATION, LLC Review
Wednesday, August 20, 2008
To: My GRN Team & Others With A Desire To Make An Honest & Ethical Income From Home
From: Kelly G. Williams
Re: “Mor” Is Not Better, Read On…
My revised report is based on facts not assumptions.
My name is Kelly Williams, I am a team platinum leader, an independent affiliate with GRN and founder of http://www.ThePajamaCommute.com
This report is based on my actual experiences from August 8 through August 19, 2008.
This all began back on August 8 when I received an email from a team member indicating that the long time host (Mr. B) of the weekly conference calls for Global Resorts Network had resigned and was involved with some other travel membership “deal.” I really didn’t think too much of it and put the email into my “review later” email folder.
The following day, Saturday, August 10 I received a phone call from a team leader who indicated they felt like the company he was helping launch may make some sense and she was seriously considering it. We both concluded we wouldn’t get caught up in the “hype” of it all but would do some serious research before making any kind of decision.
On Monday, August 12 I checked out the pre pre-launch website and later listened in on one of the conference calls Mr. B was hosting. He presented a compelling story and painted a very appealing picture of what this new opportunity would be. I decided to participate in another conference call in the afternoon.
On the afternoon conference calls I had a chance to introduce myself and ask a question. I was recognized for my internet marketing website http://www.ThePajamaCommute.com and indicated how much he liked my site. At the end of the call I sent him an email requesting a call. Within the hour he called me.
During our conversation I asked him many questions and learned more about this 23 year old company. He indicated they, like our GRNs parent travel company preferred to stay out of the limelight for now but he would reveal who they were on Friday.
I also learned that this company gained there 100,000 members by doing a “dog & pony” road show, as he put it. They would hire a sales team to go into cities across the country and through a “full page” newspaper ad or through “private phone call” invitations lure people to come to a hotel presentation by offering some type of valuable gift or prize.
The presentation consisted of sharing all of the negatives of owning a timeshare and going over the benefits of their travel memberships. The attendees were able to look at some sort of catalogue and see all of the great deals. At the end of the presentation there would be a handsome guy or attractive gal ending the presentation and people would flood to the back of the room to buy. He indicated the memberships were being sold for as much as $9300 and they offered a finance package.
He went on to tell me about all of the benefits of this travel membership program, including $149 weeks and travel cash rebates are amongst a couple of the benefits he mentions. When we ended our phone conversation, he nearly had me convinced to sign up right then and there, he is very good. However, I wanted to dig a little deeper. I thought, if this is everything that he says it is, it will be a major competitor of GRN, so I definitely was taking it seriously.
The days that followed I had many more emails and phone calls from my GRN teammates. Many of them had been looking into this program and were being compelled by what they were hearing. I also had spoken daily with Mr. B and he was kind, courteous and very gracious with his time as he addressed my questions. I had mixed emotions because it all sounded good but there still was a gnawing pit in my stomach and I felt something just wasn’t right.
I concluded that the only way I would be able to make an intelligent decision would be to use good common business sense and make a visit to this 23 year old travel company and make sure they are real. I did not want to lead my team who had confidence in me, down a dead end street. I called Mr. B and indicated my desire and after referring to me as “doubting Thomas,” said he would get back with me concerning when and where.
He did get back with me and told me a meeting had been arranged but it wouldn’t be until September 3. I would need to make arrangements to fly into Chicago and he would get back to me with the rest of the details.
On Thursday, August 14 I held several team webinars, and went over this new travel membership program. By then I had slowly been sucked into the “hype” of it all and was pretty certain I would be getting involved. I told my team about the “unveiling” of the company the following day.
When Friday, the 18th arrived, I and many of my teammates participated on the “revealing Friday” conference call at high noon pst. It was very lack luster to say the least. Many of the things he said would be available to look at, were not. But the name of the new travel program was revealed. You can find these details by visiting his introductory site: webinar9.com.
I requested a call and we visited some more about the “unveiling.” I indicated I was a bit disappointed with the website and the information available to us. He told me that the president of this new company had an unexpected root canal and was out of commission for a few days, so things just weren’t quite ready. I told him I was expecting to know who the travel company was behind all of these incredible benefits he was touting, and he responded by telling me the name, “Travel Service, Inc.,” out of Illinois.
I asked him if I could check out their website and he chuckled and told me they were “dinosaurs” in terms of their technology. They only communicate with members through an 800 number and a fax machine. He got all excited and said that is why this opportunity presents such a tremendous opportunity because we can bring them out of the “stone ages” into the “cyber ages.”
During our call he mentioned I would need to fly into St. Louis rather than Chicago because the 23 year old travel company headquarters was located in a suburb of Springfield, Il and the St. Louis airport would be closer. I was again curious about this “Travel Service, Inc.” and asked him who the principles of the travel company were. I was told, they wanted to remain anonymous and would likely remain that way always. The general manager of the 23 year old travel company would be the person they would be dealing with.
On paper it all sounded so very good and I was growing tired of having to deal with my indecisive feelings and I also knew my team was ready for me to make a decision so I decided that I would officially join by sending in my money order the next day. Friday evening Mr. B agreed to get on a conference call with my team members and go over how this all transpired, the program details, and answer questions. I knew that if this was something I would end up getting involved with, many of my team members would probably do the same. During the call I told my team that I had made the decision to join.
I woke up in the middle of Friday night and once again felt very uneasy about my decision. I grabbed my laptop and began searching for whatever information I could find on “Travel Service, Inc.” but there wasn’t anything out there. It just simply didn’t make much sense how a 23 year old company, who was a member of ARDA, according to the conference calls I had listened to, did not even have an address nor showed up as a corporation in Illinois, Las Vegas or Delaware.
I realized I had fallen for the hype and knew through common business sense, I needed to verify what Mr. B had been telling me and many others. I decided I would just get on a plane on Monday and fly out to the travel company headquarters in Springfield, Il (or thereabouts) and see for myself so I could provide an intelligent decision based on facts not some wish list of travel benefits.
On Saturday I fielded more calls from my teammates who wanted to share their thoughts about the entire deal. I continued to feel more and more stress over the whole thing. In one of my conversations with an affiliate I learned she lived in the general area of where the 23 year old travel company was located. She indicated to me she would be willing to go and take a look if I was able to determine the exact location.
Monday morning, I along with a team leader was able to be on a short conference call with the president and the Mr. B., the master affiliate of this new travel membership marketing company. But still no representation from the 23 year old travel membership support company. I wasn’t all that impressed as the new president was overshadowed by the eagerness of Mr. B to control the conversation.
Later that afternoon, still in a very uneasy state, I got a call from Mr. B. He was excited due to the fact that money was pouring in because Monday was the first day they were accepting actual payments. For what? I thought – a wish list, no it ended up being a certificate on the web.
After his exuberance simmered down, I told him I learned of an affiliate that was near the company headquarters and she was more than willing to go and verify the existence of the 23 year old travel company.
The silence on the other end of the phone was immediate. His tone changed quickly and he said; “we are not going there,” I knew he didn’t mean physically. “This is my deal and you’re not going to ruin it, it is my way or the highway!” he exclaimed. It was apparent I struck a chord and I wasn’t quite sure how to respond. He then went off on a story about Al Morales, one of the founders of GRN, and how he was in the beginning, so what? At that point, my decision was made. I chose the highway, at mock speed.
I was a tad bit stunned, to say the least, but relieved because my decision had been made by this one phone call. I went back to my laptop and realized I had begun a Google search earlier and the results were on my screen. What I discovered was very alarming to say the least and confirmed to me that I made the right decision to “hit the highway.”
The links below were uncovered in my “due diligence” research. The travel club memberships being reviewed at this time cannot be linked directly to Mr. B or Mor Vacations, LLC or the 23 year old, nowhere to be found Travel Service, Inc. So to make that connection, accusation or assumption would be false on my part. However, I am entitled to my opinion and I will let you have yours and come to your own conclusions. Perhaps this report will help you.
As for me, this information only served as a confirmation that my “hit the highway” decision was right for me. I never did send in my money order and the gnawing uneasy feelings are gone. Hurray!
http://streettalkblog.com/?p=2042
http://www.sellmytimesharenow.com/timeshares/index/content/details/AdNumber/462578/
http://www.complaints.com/directory/2004/march/16/13.htm
http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycompany/star-vacation-club-a1634.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/american_travel.html
http://www.complaints.com/directory/2006/october/19/12.htm
http://www.timesharesonly.com/resort/5835
http://vacationresortmanagement-scam.com/namegame1.html
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/2656955/detail.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/288/RipOff0288023.htm
http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/5690
http://streettalkblog.com/?p=2660
http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/street/apr26-02.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/320/RipOff0320330.htm
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/star-vacation-club-c9899.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/353/RipOff0353717.htm
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=22641
http://complaintwire.org/Complaint.aspx/TKitYLalGACy-gjKgzHwXg
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/12/in_timeshares.html
http://chicago.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=46&bbb=0654&firm=1001715http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/2002/ts/may/0510-01t.htm
If you have already sent in your money order. My personal recommendation, for what it is worth, you should ask for it back. You have 3 days by law.
I hope this information has assisted you in making a wise decision.
Sincerely,
Kelly G. Williams
Here Kelly’s account of what happened:
MOR VACATION, LLC Review
Wednesday, August 20, 2008
To: My GRN Team & Others With A Desire To Make An Honest & Ethical Income From Home
From: Kelly G. Williams
Re: “Mor” Is Not Better, Read On…
My revised report is based on facts not assumptions.
My name is Kelly Williams, I am a team platinum leader, an independent affiliate with GRN and founder of http://www.ThePajamaCommute.com
This report is based on my actual experiences from August 8 through August 19, 2008.
This all began back on August 8 when I received an email from a team member indicating that the long time host (Mr. B) of the weekly conference calls for Global Resorts Network had resigned and was involved with some other travel membership “deal.” I really didn’t think too much of it and put the email into my “review later” email folder.
The following day, Saturday, August 10 I received a phone call from a team leader who indicated they felt like the company he was helping launch may make some sense and she was seriously considering it. We both concluded we wouldn’t get caught up in the “hype” of it all but would do some serious research before making any kind of decision.
On Monday, August 12 I checked out the pre pre-launch website and later listened in on one of the conference calls Mr. B was hosting. He presented a compelling story and painted a very appealing picture of what this new opportunity would be. I decided to participate in another conference call in the afternoon.
On the afternoon conference calls I had a chance to introduce myself and ask a question. I was recognized for my internet marketing website http://www.ThePajamaCommute.com and indicated how much he liked my site. At the end of the call I sent him an email requesting a call. Within the hour he called me.
During our conversation I asked him many questions and learned more about this 23 year old company. He indicated they, like our GRNs parent travel company preferred to stay out of the limelight for now but he would reveal who they were on Friday.
I also learned that this company gained there 100,000 members by doing a “dog & pony” road show, as he put it. They would hire a sales team to go into cities across the country and through a “full page” newspaper ad or through “private phone call” invitations lure people to come to a hotel presentation by offering some type of valuable gift or prize.
The presentation consisted of sharing all of the negatives of owning a timeshare and going over the benefits of their travel memberships. The attendees were able to look at some sort of catalogue and see all of the great deals. At the end of the presentation there would be a handsome guy or attractive gal ending the presentation and people would flood to the back of the room to buy. He indicated the memberships were being sold for as much as $9300 and they offered a finance package.
He went on to tell me about all of the benefits of this travel membership program, including $149 weeks and travel cash rebates are amongst a couple of the benefits he mentions. When we ended our phone conversation, he nearly had me convinced to sign up right then and there, he is very good. However, I wanted to dig a little deeper. I thought, if this is everything that he says it is, it will be a major competitor of GRN, so I definitely was taking it seriously.
The days that followed I had many more emails and phone calls from my GRN teammates. Many of them had been looking into this program and were being compelled by what they were hearing. I also had spoken daily with Mr. B and he was kind, courteous and very gracious with his time as he addressed my questions. I had mixed emotions because it all sounded good but there still was a gnawing pit in my stomach and I felt something just wasn’t right.
I concluded that the only way I would be able to make an intelligent decision would be to use good common business sense and make a visit to this 23 year old travel company and make sure they are real. I did not want to lead my team who had confidence in me, down a dead end street. I called Mr. B and indicated my desire and after referring to me as “doubting Thomas,” said he would get back with me concerning when and where.
He did get back with me and told me a meeting had been arranged but it wouldn’t be until September 3. I would need to make arrangements to fly into Chicago and he would get back to me with the rest of the details.
On Thursday, August 14 I held several team webinars, and went over this new travel membership program. By then I had slowly been sucked into the “hype” of it all and was pretty certain I would be getting involved. I told my team about the “unveiling” of the company the following day.
When Friday, the 18th arrived, I and many of my teammates participated on the “revealing Friday” conference call at high noon pst. It was very lack luster to say the least. Many of the things he said would be available to look at, were not. But the name of the new travel program was revealed. You can find these details by visiting his introductory site: webinar9.com.
I requested a call and we visited some more about the “unveiling.” I indicated I was a bit disappointed with the website and the information available to us. He told me that the president of this new company had an unexpected root canal and was out of commission for a few days, so things just weren’t quite ready. I told him I was expecting to know who the travel company was behind all of these incredible benefits he was touting, and he responded by telling me the name, “Travel Service, Inc.,” out of Illinois.
I asked him if I could check out their website and he chuckled and told me they were “dinosaurs” in terms of their technology. They only communicate with members through an 800 number and a fax machine. He got all excited and said that is why this opportunity presents such a tremendous opportunity because we can bring them out of the “stone ages” into the “cyber ages.”
During our call he mentioned I would need to fly into St. Louis rather than Chicago because the 23 year old travel company headquarters was located in a suburb of Springfield, Il and the St. Louis airport would be closer. I was again curious about this “Travel Service, Inc.” and asked him who the principles of the travel company were. I was told, they wanted to remain anonymous and would likely remain that way always. The general manager of the 23 year old travel company would be the person they would be dealing with.
On paper it all sounded so very good and I was growing tired of having to deal with my indecisive feelings and I also knew my team was ready for me to make a decision so I decided that I would officially join by sending in my money order the next day. Friday evening Mr. B agreed to get on a conference call with my team members and go over how this all transpired, the program details, and answer questions. I knew that if this was something I would end up getting involved with, many of my team members would probably do the same. During the call I told my team that I had made the decision to join.
I woke up in the middle of Friday night and once again felt very uneasy about my decision. I grabbed my laptop and began searching for whatever information I could find on “Travel Service, Inc.” but there wasn’t anything out there. It just simply didn’t make much sense how a 23 year old company, who was a member of ARDA, according to the conference calls I had listened to, did not even have an address nor showed up as a corporation in Illinois, Las Vegas or Delaware.
I realized I had fallen for the hype and knew through common business sense, I needed to verify what Mr. B had been telling me and many others. I decided I would just get on a plane on Monday and fly out to the travel company headquarters in Springfield, Il (or thereabouts) and see for myself so I could provide an intelligent decision based on facts not some wish list of travel benefits.
On Saturday I fielded more calls from my teammates who wanted to share their thoughts about the entire deal. I continued to feel more and more stress over the whole thing. In one of my conversations with an affiliate I learned she lived in the general area of where the 23 year old travel company was located. She indicated to me she would be willing to go and take a look if I was able to determine the exact location.
Monday morning, I along with a team leader was able to be on a short conference call with the president and the Mr. B., the master affiliate of this new travel membership marketing company. But still no representation from the 23 year old travel membership support company. I wasn’t all that impressed as the new president was overshadowed by the eagerness of Mr. B to control the conversation.
Later that afternoon, still in a very uneasy state, I got a call from Mr. B. He was excited due to the fact that money was pouring in because Monday was the first day they were accepting actual payments. For what? I thought – a wish list, no it ended up being a certificate on the web.
After his exuberance simmered down, I told him I learned of an affiliate that was near the company headquarters and she was more than willing to go and verify the existence of the 23 year old travel company.
The silence on the other end of the phone was immediate. His tone changed quickly and he said; “we are not going there,” I knew he didn’t mean physically. “This is my deal and you’re not going to ruin it, it is my way or the highway!” he exclaimed. It was apparent I struck a chord and I wasn’t quite sure how to respond. He then went off on a story about Al Morales, one of the founders of GRN, and how he was in the beginning, so what? At that point, my decision was made. I chose the highway, at mock speed.
I was a tad bit stunned, to say the least, but relieved because my decision had been made by this one phone call. I went back to my laptop and realized I had begun a Google search earlier and the results were on my screen. What I discovered was very alarming to say the least and confirmed to me that I made the right decision to “hit the highway.”
The links below were uncovered in my “due diligence” research. The travel club memberships being reviewed at this time cannot be linked directly to Mr. B or Mor Vacations, LLC or the 23 year old, nowhere to be found Travel Service, Inc. So to make that connection, accusation or assumption would be false on my part. However, I am entitled to my opinion and I will let you have yours and come to your own conclusions. Perhaps this report will help you.
As for me, this information only served as a confirmation that my “hit the highway” decision was right for me. I never did send in my money order and the gnawing uneasy feelings are gone. Hurray!
http://streettalkblog.com/?p=2042
http://www.sellmytimesharenow.com/timeshares/index/content/details/AdNumber/462578/
http://www.complaints.com/directory/2004/march/16/13.htm
http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycompany/star-vacation-club-a1634.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/american_travel.html
http://www.complaints.com/directory/2006/october/19/12.htm
http://www.timesharesonly.com/resort/5835
http://vacationresortmanagement-scam.com/namegame1.html
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/2656955/detail.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/288/RipOff0288023.htm
http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/5690
http://streettalkblog.com/?p=2660
http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/street/apr26-02.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/320/RipOff0320330.htm
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/star-vacation-club-c9899.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/353/RipOff0353717.htm
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=22641
http://complaintwire.org/Complaint.aspx/TKitYLalGACy-gjKgzHwXg
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/12/in_timeshares.html
http://chicago.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=46&bbb=0654&firm=1001715http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/2002/ts/may/0510-01t.htm
If you have already sent in your money order. My personal recommendation, for what it is worth, you should ask for it back. You have 3 days by law.
I hope this information has assisted you in making a wise decision.
Sincerely,
Kelly G. Williams
